Swift Landing Gear Actuators
LANDING GEAR ACTUATOR OVERHAUL... (10299)
Subject: Gear actuators
From: Steve Wilson <teveWlson@aol.com>
Jim...
What is your secret for sealing gear actuators? I just took both out of N77753
and rebuilt them again. About 125 hours since last rebuilt and they pee out
fluid much of the time when the wx is near or below freezing. After getting
them done and back in, the right one seems tight, but the left one is really
leaking worse than before with pressure applied to hyd system. The fluid
comes out of the rear of the actuator. None from any other location. I suspect
that it is coming out of the actuating arm seal rather than the large seal
on the outside of the brass bushing. What do you think? Charlie told me one
time that he has used two "O" rings instead of one. I don't know what that
might do except move the "O" ring away from the small corrosion area on most
of the shafts. I suppose if you did that you would have to leave out the
leather packing, no? I do not think the shaft would stand much smoothing
as it would reduce the diameter of the shaft and work against sealing. Any
suggestions you have would be great. I feel like I am shoveling sh** against
the tide. Steve
Steve,
If there is corrosion evident on the shaft, I have eliminated the back up
ring and installed two "O" rings also. I also assemble the "O" rings, in
all locations, using plenty of Vaseline. I don't know if this is any secret
but I have had pretty good success. For a couple of years, my 31B left actuator
would drip fluid in the winter, making a mess on the lower centersection
skin and hangar floor. Pressurizing the system, (running the hydraulic pump)
would make it stop for a while. Statically, with no pressure on it, it would
then seep fluid again in a week or so. During the summer, it would not leak
a bit. I had rebuilt the actuators in '91 or '92, and only had about 125
hours time on them. Last summer, I bit the bullet, and pulled the left one
out and replaced the "O" rings with fresh ones. The ones which were in there
looked perfect, except they were maybe a little hard and flat. It hasn't
leaked a drop since. Perhaps the secret is the age of the "O" rings. -- Jim
MORE ACTUATOR OVERHAUL DISCUSSION... (10299)
From: Don Bartholomew <spectro@nanosecond.com>
Reply-To: spectro@nanosecond.com
Organization: The Aeroplane Factory
Subject: Re: Leaking gear actuators...Fix???
Hi Steve,
The secret is to do the proper dance to the actuator gods. Unfortunately,
I have not found that dance or they don't like the way I do it! So......
these are things I have tried, sometimes successful, sometimes not. Good
Luck and let me know if any work for you. (I also have sub freezing temps
and see similar problems)
> Hi fellows... What is your secret for sealing gear actuators? I just
took
> both out of N77753 and rebuilt them again. About 125 hours since last
> rebuilt and they pee out fluid much of the time when the wx is near
or below
> freezing (actually they weep most of the time, but not as bad when wx
is
> warm).
This part is understandable since the o-ring is less pliable in the cold.
> Now please don't tell me to move south, I want to do that too, but I
> REALLY would like to solve this problem once and for all. After getting
them
> done and back in, the right one seems tight, but the left one is
really
>leaking worse than before with pressure applied to hyd system. The hyd
fluid
> comes out of the rear of the actuator; none from the front. I suspect
that
> it is coming out of the actuating arm seal rather than the large seal
on the
> outside of the brass bushing.
This you would have to determine by inspection, and possibly pressurizing the system after the actuator is removed.
> What do you think? Previously Charlie Nelson
> & Montague both told me that they have used two "O" rings instead
of one.
> I've never tried this, have you?
I have tried this once and it did seem to work. I used the second o-ring in place of the leather packing. The o-ring is wider than the leather, so when things are assembled, there is pressure on the side of the o-ring which tends to push them tighter to the shaft.
> I don't know what that might do except move
> the "O" ring away from the small corrosion area on most of the shafts.
I
> suppose if you did that you would have to leave out either the leather
> packing or the steel ring, no? If so, which? I do not think the shaft
would
> stand much smoothing as it would reduce the overall diameter of the
shaft and
> if it is that sensitive, probably wouldn't stand much of that.
I have had some success with using a very thin piece of emery cloth and polishing just the pitted area. This leaves a slight grove, but gives a better surface for the o-ring to ride on. Don't polish the entire shaft, this would make it loose in the bushing. I have found that worn bushings definitely aggravate the problem. Typically I would like to see .0005" to .001" shaft/bushing clearance. If there is more than this (typically I find .003 to .007" when I take them apart) the o-ring has a hard time staying in contact with all surfaces, especially in cold weather.
> Any suggestions you have would be greatly appreciated. I am about to
pull out
> what little hair I have left... Steve W
First, check bushing clearance next time they are apart. Sometimes I have to make custom size bushings to account for worn shafts and housings. The bushings are made from Navel Brass.
Second, Locally polish as much pitting as possible. Spin the shaft in a lathe and use a thin strip of crocus cloth to polish the affected area. Do not exceed .002" max local polishing. Third, Sometimes Granville strut seal helps keep the seals more pliable in cold weather. Forth, Pray and Dance a lot to the Actuator Gods. If you find the right combination, let me know what it is!
Good Luck, Don and Helo
IN SEARCH OF RARE EARLY OPEN RACK LANDING GEAR ACTUATOR...
(11699)
From: Pete King <peetking@earthlink.net>
Subject: GC-1A's
The early gear retraction actuator was an open rack and pinion assembly.
It was vulnerable to icing and was therefore replaced with the actuator we
all know. Does anyone know what it looked like ?? have a drawing?? have one???
I would really appreciate anyone's help. Many thanks, Pete King
Pete,
In 1969 we had a flyin at Santa Paula, CA . The featured speaker was Eugene
Clay who was hired by Globe in late 1945, after WW2 career as a design engineer
for North American. He was proud of the fact that his major accomplishment
was the redesign of the P-51 fuselage to the bubble canopy configuration
of the P-51D. If you look at many of the drawings of the Swift you will see
the name "Eugene Clay" in the corner. He related that arriving in Ft Worth,
he was met by (Globe Chief Engineer) Bud Knox and others who told him, "We
have a problem". They were flying several GC-1A's at that time, and with
just a few hours on the airplanes, the gear actuators were failing to operate.
It turns out the open rack and pinion was quite succeptable to dust, dirt,
debris and water, not to mention snow and ice. I don't think you want one!
They never did work very good. Plus - N80518 never had them. I think there
were only about 5 airplanes built and flying with NX licenses when they changed
them. According to Mr Clay, he had a major part in the redesign of
the actuator, which was then produced in CA by Adel. Others who attended
that flyin who are still around include, Charlie Nelson, Pat Moore, Rod Daulton,
Jess Myers, Mark Holliday and perhaps several that I forget, maybe their
memories of Mr Clay's talk include more detail. -- Jim
EVEN I HAVE A QUESTION ONCE IN AWHILE... (010100)
From: Denis Arbeau <arbeau@napanet.net>
Subject: Leaky downlock
Jim,
Came back from flying today and found some hydraulic fluid streaming back
along the top of the left flap. Traced it forward under the wing to the wheel
well where it seems to be coming from the downlock. Why do downlocks leak
and what must be done to fix them? Thanks, Denis
Denis,
It happens. "O" rings get old and hard and start to leak. Refer to the Cummings
Hydraulic Manual before starting repairs. The "O" rings are included in the
actuator kit. To further expound....if you overhaul your downlocks, be careful
when you remove the "port A" hydraulic fitting, there is a spring and two
check balls underneath there which can easily be lost. From memory, if you
do lose one or both, the diameters are .125 and .1875 The latch pin must
be pressed out. See the schematic in the Cummings book. Note there are three
"O" rings in the downlock. Pick the right sized ones from the kit. -- Jim
REBUILDING A LANDING GEAR ACTUATOR... (040300)
Subject: Re: Swift Gear actuator
From: Jose Ocampo <Planemex@aol.com>
Hi Monty, My name is Jose Ocampo I'm an IA based at Georgetown KY ( 27K )
Im currently doing an Annual Inspection on a Globe Swift GC 1A S/N 8 and
during the landing gear retraction test I noticed that while the gear is
in the up position a considerable amount of hydraulic fluid is leaking out
of the R/H main gear actuator, and since this is the first Swift I have ever
worked on I'm not familiar with the procedures and parts required to rebuild
this actuator, the information on the manual that I have is very vague and
incomplete and I would like some advice on this matter as well as any information
about publications out there that may be helpful. I'm very impressed with
the Swift web site as well as yours keep up the good work and please let
me know if I can be of any help here in KY.
Jose,
I take it you have the "Cummings" hydraulic manual. If not, get it! There
are a couple of things I might add, or stress. When disassembling the actuator
DON'T drive the arm out until you remove the woodruff key. And before you
remove the gear from the rack, centerpunch both the rack and the gear, (if
not all ready done). This may save you a lot of time on reassembly. When
assembling remember, the backup ring goes on near atmospheric, then the "O"
ring, then the steel ring. Use Vaseline on the "O" rings on assembly. After
you get the arm in position, the woodruff key must be placed in it's keyway
before sliding the gear in. Again, be sure the gear and rack are indexed
properly. Sketch or photograph the assembly before starting. The downlock
has a pin that must be pulled or driven out. Be aware that there are two
check balls and a spring under the 1/8" pipe x AN4 hydraulic fitting. The
diameters, if you lose them are .187 and .279. I think the book covers the
rest. -- Jim
DRESS FOR SUCCESS... (070200)
From: Don Duke <swifter@compuserve.com>
Jim, Any suggestions on how to best dress out scratches in hydraulic
cylinders? I used a dremel polishing wheel which seems to have worked well,
but took off the anodized layer (?) in some areas - is this a problem?? --
Don
Don,
It depends. If you just removed a thousandth or so of material, the "O" ring
should cover that. If too much of the wall is removed the internal leakage
by the "O" ring will be too great and the gear operation will be sluggish.
There are still a fair amount of actuators around, if your gear operation
is not satisfactory perhaps you can find one. If the cylinder walls are "wavy"
you will probably have to replace the "O" ring more often than normally.
-- Jim
HYDRAULIC FLUID LEAK... (070200)
Subject: Venting Hydraulic Fluid From The Powerpack
From: Miguel Nelson <inzone5@hotmail.com>
Monty, Any suggestions as to what I can do about venting hydraulic
fluid from the powerpack? I always seem to get a small amount of hydraulic
fluid on the left side of the fuselage, just aft of the firewall particularly
after doing aerobatics, although I may add that I still get some fluid even
after straight & level flight. I am not sure what type of powerpack I
have, but I do not believe it is stock and the previous owner said it had
been modified. My system is tight though and the landing gear raises in 8
seconds even with the P-51 style doors. I do know that the fluid comes out
of the pinhole vent aft of the motor and the powerpack is not overserviced.
I had heard that the new Bosch powerpack did not have a vent and eliminated
the problem, but I have also heard that new Bosch powerpack is just a motor
change and used the original reservoir which obviously won't fix the problem.
I don't think I can just replace that vented bolt with a non-vented one without
causing other problem. Any suggestions? Thanks, Ozzie
Ozzie,
Your reservoir is probably overfilled. There are two fillers from different
production times. The earliest had a filler on top of the reservoir with
a knurled knob and a little dip stick. This one was deleted and the later
airplanes had a 1/8" pipe elbow on the front of the reservoir. It is located
only about half way up so there is a lot of air space above the fluid. If
you don't have this setup you can copy it from another airplane or just be
really careful not to fill your reservoir over 1/2 full. You can also look
for obvious stuff like perhaps someone put an oversize vent hole in there.
You might consider putting in a check valve to prevent negative "g" fluid
loss. You can easily make a check valve with a pipe fitting and a small ball
bearing which will only weigh a fraction of an ounce. Say you are using a
1/8" pipe fitting made out of brass, drill it with a #10 drill about half
way thru from the bottom, then drill thru from the top with a a # 60 to #50
drill. Put a .187 ball bearing in the hole, then peen the brass so the ball
bearing is captive. It is normal to overflow the reservoir when cranking
the gear down on jacks. Overflow is normal when cranking the gear down because
the volume of fluid on the down side is forced back into the reservoir and
the "up" volume is not being balanced by going out to the actuator. The Merlyn
motor should make no difference, unless the gasket is leaking at the top
of the reservoir, maybe a new gasket would fix you right up! -- Jim
"WUN HUNG LOW"...
(070600)
Subj: Hydralic Pressure Loss
From: Fred Latremore <Spears@snowhill.com>
Hello Jim, I just completed disassembly and reassembly of L/H landing gear
actuator to repair a seep between pulley assembly and housing. I now have
a situation that the hydraulic pump will activate during flight for a brief
instant. After raising the A/C on jacks, I observed that both actuators will
bleed down from the over-the-center position in the up gear selection and,
the flaps will also lower enough to activate the pump. This occurs with the
flap selector in the up, neutral, or down position. I remember reading about
this situation, but, I can't remember where. Your help will be greatly
appreciated. -- Fred S. Latremore N3285K
Fred,
If the actuators bleed down from gravity, or if the gear can be pulled down
after being up for some time on jacks, the rack and gear are probably mis-indexed
by one tooth in the actuators. The first time the actuators are disassembled
these parts should be marked with a centerpunch. There are assembly directions
in the Cummings hydraulic manual, but it is a lot easier just to line up
a couple of marks! Evidently, you need to start from scratch. Back the emergency
pull down cable off and make sure the problem is still there. With the gear
up, check again if it will come out on its own, it may take 15 minutes or
so for the hydraulic pressure to bleed off. Remember, the "uplock" is simply
the fact the gear goes over center and gravity locks it "up." If the flaps
bleed down, there is some internal leakage, either at the "O" ring in the
flap actuator or the brass plates in the hydraulic package. -- Jim
FLAP ACTUATOR O-RING REPLACEMENT
CAN CURE HYDRAULIC BLEED DOWN... (800100)
From: Al Andersen <72032.237@compuserve.com>
Subject: July #6 GTS Internet Update
Hearing about the hydraulic bleed down problem reminded me of a similar thing
that happened in my Swift back 20 years ago or so. I was plagued with the
cycling hydraulic pump in flight until I took the flap actuator out of the
airplane and resealed it. It had O rings in it that looked original, and
acted like they were 30 yrs old then. The landing gear tends to get resealed
as leaks develop, as they are usually external. The flap actuator usually
leaks internally, and therefore seldom gets attention.
Once I got on my back,& pulled the flap actuator out of the airplane, (it's not the easiest thing to do, and kind of messy) and resealed it, the problem with the cycling hydraulic pump went away, and the pressure stayed up remarkably well in the system. This doesn't totally address the overcenter up linkage problem, but will tighten up your hydraulic system so it won't be so noticeable. AL
LANDING GEAR ACTUATOR... (110200)
Subj: Out of time actuator?
From: Bob Dopita <radopita@hotmail.com>
Hi Jim, I finally got the wiring & the plumbing figured out and the micro
switches adjusted when I noticed when the gear is up the right leg seemed to
hang about 1/2" lower than the left. Further investigation showed that when
in the up position the right gear can be "jiggled" up and down about
1/2" and the left is solid. I tried re-adjusting the up limit switch but
the gear wouldn't go any higher, it just didn't shut off the pump. I am thinking
that the actuator gear is out of time a tooth or two. Am I on the right track,
or is there something else that I am overlooking? When in the down position both
sides lock down securely. Thanks again for your help. R.A. Dopita <radopita@hotmail.com>
Bob, I would say you probably have figured it out. The gear in the actuator is probably mis-indexed by one tooth. -- Jim
LOOKING AT A LEAKY ACTUATOR BUT HAS NUT PLATE CONCERNS...(120300)
Subj: Actuator nut plates
From: Ron Williamson <rwwilliamson@earthlink.net>
Jim, I'm looking at a leaky actuator (I know, that's redundant . . .) but I'm
avoiding resealing it because the 1/4-28 nut plate behind the bulkhead is just
about out of threads and it won't survive another remove/install cycle. Is there
any way to get to it without pulling the wing and end rib?, Ron
Ron,
Well maybe. Remove the actuator, if the bolt goes round and round you may have
to pry it out with a screwdriver. Upon reassembly you may have to try several
things. If the nut plate is secure on its rivets but has worn threads you can
just put the bolt in "very carefully". (low torque) If the threads are
completely gone or the nut plate is missing you can cut about a 1" hole in
the skin right behind the bulkhead and fish a 1/4" nut or nut plate up and
catch it with the bolt. A nut plate will work if you get the bolt tightened up.
Next time it will be necessary to keep it from rotating, but you can worry about
that later! Or you can remove the whole gear box bulkhead, which is really not
too bad a job. Remove the 8-32 screws at the bottom, the 1/4" bolts on the
sides and drill out the 1/8" rivets across the top, which will allow you to
remove the bulkhead and replace any nut plates or otherwise return it to
original condition. -- Jim
ON THE LOOSE... (080201)
Subj: down lock
From: Ed Clegg <edwclg@att.net>
Hi Monty,
I was in the wheel wells yesterday, tightening anything that was loose. I came
upon the top bolt on the down lock on the left side that will not tighten. This
bolt goes through into the wing. As I turn the head of it, it seems like it is
tightening, but then it becomes easier for a couple of turns and then the
process begins again. The down lock itself is not loose so it must be a broken
nut plate???? Do you have any suggestions. How to access? Best way,etc. Thanks
for your help. Best Always, Ed Clegg
Ed
I presume the nut plate or maybe the nut plate and bolt are worn. A new bolt may
give just enough larger thread diameter so it will tighten up. (Don't
overtighten!) An NAS bolt may be several thousandths bigger than an AN bolt.
Likewise a close tolerance bolt. If this fails, a small (1"or a little
less) hole can be made in the .025 aluminum on the back side of the gear box
bulkhead, in line with the nutplate. Tape a nutplate to a screwdriver and have a
helper turn the bolt while you try to get the nutplate to engage on the bolt. A
slightly longer bolt may be necessary. Once you get the bolt started in the
nutplate you may need the screwdriver to keep it from turning. To change the
original nutplate, the gear and actuator must be removed, then the 4 or 5 -
1/4" bolts on each end of the bulkhead, then drill out the row of 1/8"
rivets across the top and remove the 8-32 screws across the bottom. Then the
bulkhead can be removed. -- Jim
STICKY DOWNLOCK...(040201)
From: Ed Clegg <edwclg@adelphia.com>
Subject: downlock
A question. After flying Sunday I noticed the downlock on the right side not
engaged. But when I went back yesterday it was. I jacked it up and spayed it
with wd-40, cycled the gear and it seems to be getting faster. Have you seen
these stick before and short of pullin it apart is there some simpler remedy?
That happens where there is an "O" ring with hydraulic fluid on one
side and air on the other side -- the "O" ring hangs up on the dry
shaft. You did the right thing in lubricating it -- 5606 would have been a
better lubricant, but they don't supply it in spray cans to my knowledge! I
suppose just a squirt with an oil can would work. -- Jim
STICKY DOWNLOCK PART II...(040201)
From: Ed Clegg <edwclg@adelphia.com>
Subject: downlock
Spraying the downlock has helped but it is still slower than it should be. Am I
correct in thinking that hyd press retracts it and it is spring actuated to the
lock pos.? If so could the spring be weak. I ordered a seal kit from Swift parts
but it dose not include a spring. Why are there two hyd lines to it? Thanks, Ed
Ed
Try getting some Vaseline worked in there. Look at the schematic in the Commings
hyd. manual. The spring helps move the piston in one direction. When fluid under
pressure enters thru port "B", the downlock retracts, compressing the
spring and unseats the check ball and allows pressure to exit port "A"
and to the actuator. To get a better idea of this, study the manual and/or the
actual downlock. -- Jim
SLOW TO RETRACT PROBLEM SOLVED... (APRIL 03)
From: Swiftflier@aol.com
Subject: Re: April #3 GTS Internet Update
Just wanted to tell everyone that my "slow to retract" landing gear
problem is solved! Jim Thomason reckoned that one of my gear actuators was
by-passing, and even though there were no leaks or outside discrepancies in
either gear well, the actuators were suspect to him. Well, he was correct... and
after he overhauled both actuators the landing gear problem is solved.
Thanks, Bill Tiley (N131W).
DOWN & LOCKED... (SEPT 03)
Subj: Down lock "o" rings
From: Grahame Gibson <grim_downunder@hotmail.com>
Giday Jim,
I'm hoping this Saturday to pull down the right side gear actuator. This one has
a leaking down lock assembly. The left down lock assembly was fitted with new
"o" rings some years ago and did not require service when we did the
left actuator overhaul. We are doing one side at a time as we do not have break
down drawings, or another swift to view. Could you please give me the
"o" ring MS numbers for the down lock. I wrote down in the parts book
these numbers when I serviced the left down lock. now I don't understand what I
have written, As follows....."o" rings, 2 x 2.010, 1 x 2.020, od.
3/8" x 1/32" od. 1" x 1/8" Hopefully you can clarify these
"o" ring sizes, and I'll write them up in my parts book for future
reference. Kind regards, Grahame, Australian Swift VH-BYB
Grahame
Before starting on the downlocks you should have "The Swift Hydraulic
Manual" by WE Commings. The "O" rings in the downlock are 16404-5
(2 ea.) and 16405-15 (1 ea.) I don't know if those a regular AN6227
"O" rings or not. I usually just order seal kit S-148 from Swift
Parts. The actuator "O" rings are AN6227-29, AN6227-14, AN6227-18 and
AN6227-27 and the seal kit number is S-147 from Swift. Be sure you don't lose
the little check balls when taking the AN fittings out of the downlocks. -- Jim