Swift Continental IO-360 Information Page Two
CONT 210 "BLOW-OUT"... (8399)
From: "Allen E. Andersen" <72032.237@compuserve.com>
Subject: August #1 GTS Internet Update
Concerning the 210 Continetal oil story about "blowing out" excess oil. I
would check the condition of the rings in the engine. Here is why I suggest
that, and I hope that my explanation is neither too complex or overly simplifies
the problem.
The internal parts of all aircraft engines are lubricated with "splash oil" (except the bearings and pressurized oil areas) which is just another way of saying that the cam faces and cam follower are enveloped in an oil "mist" during operation. Since this oil mist is all over the inside of the crankcase, and the crankcase is vented to the outside air via the breather, ideally the flow between the inside and outside of the crankcase is minimal, only enough to equalize the pressure.
This does not happen if you are leaking an excessive amount past your rings however. Most of the "blowing oil problems" I've seen are a result of this phenomina. The "blowby" past the rings produces higher pressure inside the crankcase, (from the compression stroke) and creates a continuous flow of air out the breather tube to equalize the pressure, taking the oil mist with it. This will be noticed by the "oil belly" on your airplane, and dripping an excessive amount out of your breather tube after you shut down. Some engines, which have a history of blowby , have an air/ oil separator installed to recapture some of the oil which otherwise would blow overboard with the flow of the air out of the crankcase. Most newer styles of pistons and rings alleviate the problem and very few modern engines even bother having an air /oil separator installed, since a properly seated rings all but eliminate blowby.
Another clue for diagnosing blowby is the color of the oil on the dipstick. If it turns black within 10 hours of an oil change, you probably have a ring problem and blowby (screen type engines). Filter type engines you'll probably seen some evidence within 15 hours of a change. The premature blackness of the oil is caused by carbon contaminates, which are products of the combustion in the upper cylinder, leaking past the rings and collecting in the oil.
Many of the new cylinder/ piston/ring sets which are being sold now have done a much better job of sealing the upper cylinder from the crankcase to prevent blowby. My 0300-D used to consume about a quart every 4 hours or so, but when I overhauled it and put new Millenium cylinders on it, it dropped to a quart every 8-10 hours, and the oil stays pretty clear even after 20 hours of use.
One more thing I have noticed. If you do a compression check and everything checks out within limits, you may have an excessive amount of oil in the cylinder, which will have the effect of sealing the rings and making them look better than they are during normal operation. You can minimize this effect by doing a compression check when the engine is still hot, as the oil will not seal the rings quite as well as cold viscous oil will.
IO-360 OIL LOSS... (9199)
From: peetking@earthlink.net (Pete King)
Hi, Jim,
Reading responses to my problem of rapid oil loss tells me some clarification
may be needed. My engine has 1430scmoh and has always acted exactly the same
way. As long as no more than 6 qts are put in oil usage is "normal". If I
put in more than 6 qts, the excess will disappear in an hour or so. Compression
has ranged from 76+ down to the present 70 -- belly normally dry except after
being upside down a bit -- I wonder if all the oil pans are the same? Mark(?)
mentioned a similar problem in a different model IO-360 at higher quantities.
I've learned to live with 6 qts but would improve it if I could.
Pete,
I don't have much operating experience with the 210. 50 hours at most, mostly
in Doc Goodlads Swift which I converted in 1977. I never had that problem.
Mark had that with an IO-360K in a Cessna XP. Maybe others with more experience
will write. -- Jim
PETE KING GETS CONTINENTAL IO-360 BEYOND OVERHAUL ADVICE...
(10299)
In the last update Swifter Pete King, <peetking@earthlink.net>,
wrote:
Subject: It's gone !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My IO- 360D is approaching it's 1500 hour TBO -- but still has 70+ on all
cyl. and good oil consumption. Since both my crank and case are junk at overhaul,
I'm in no hurry to do it. Does anyone have any suggestions about things to
watch as the time builds?
Pete;
The IO-360 is not considered a good engine for TBO busting, but local Bob
and Deb Bailey have something like 2300 hours on theirs and it still runs
fine, although it leaks a lot of oil. They have delayed overhaul for the
same reason as you, buying that VAR crank. As long as yours runs good and
has good compression, I would just keep. running it. "Doc" Goodlad has one
I overhauled about 25 years ago and it's starting to use oil, but it still
runs good, "Doc" is 70 some years old and has no plans to overhaul the engine.
That stupid AD note is why. When we overhauled it 25 years ago we installed
a brand new crank, but of course, not a VAR. On yours, I would change oil
regularly, and check the screen or filter carefully, and run it. -- Jim
PUMP MAKES NOISE... (10499)
From: Pete King <peetking@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel and air
My Dukes pump has a hum when running - Is this symptomatic of eminent rebuild?
Seems to me I had to do some fix to it once before. Regards, Pete
Pete:
I'm not sure what you consider a hum, all Dukes pumps make noticeable sound
in hi boost and somewhat less sound in lo boost. Perhaps more experienced
210 pilots will comment. -- Jim
180 NOSE CAP FOR 210HP CONT MOD... (10499)
I'm looking for a Cessna 180 cowling nose cap to make the proper modification
to my cowling for the Cont IO360 STC. The drawing calls for part number
0752011-4. Does anyone know what year and model Cessna 180 this is from,
and does anyone know where I can find one? -- Jon Ewing
<jonwewing@cs.com>
Jon:
I've done 2, the first one I ordered right from Cessna, this was 20 years
ago and I thought the price was high then. The other I got from a Cessna
dealer that was selling excess inventory. It turned out not to be the exact
p/n (it was an earlier model) but it worked out great. -- Jim
BIG MOTOR SWIFT IN SOUTH AFRICA...,,(11299)
Subj: SWIFT 210 CONVERSION
From: Gary Williams <garyjw@Intekom.co.za>
Jim,
I am nearing completion of a 210HP conversion into my Globe Swift GC1B. I
have some queries regarding the fuel supply system, please can you help:
1. Does the fuel supply line to the engine have to be increased in diameter
to deliver the increased fuel supply. 2. The IO360 D engine originally comes
off a high wing Cessna 337, would there be a substantial change in fuel pressure
adjustment on the injector pump. 3. The fuel return line is connected to
the fuel gauge neck without a check valve, is this sufficient. 4. Are there
any special fuel supply requirements that need to be considered. I am a licensed
AP mechanic, and the aircraft is registered in the LS1 category in South
Africa which permits me to carry out the necessary modifications. I would
appreciate some assistance in this regard, or please forward me to someone
who has carried out this conversion. Thank-you. Regards, Gary Williams -
South Africa
Gary,
While a few US Swifters have done their own 210 conversions, most are in
accordance with the Merlyn Products STC. (Supplemental Type Certificate)
The 3/8" lines are adequate. (AN6) The fact the 337 has a high wing
doesn't affect the fuel flow. The return line should preferably go to near
the top of the standpipe, no check valve is needed, I have seen airplanes
where the mechanic who did the work "cheated" and used the old 1/8" pipe
primer port at the lower forward corner of the sump (trap, I think its called
in the Parts Catalog). I think this is a bad idea and air bubbles might make
their way to the engine and cause problems. There is a Cessna screen which
replaces the Swift gascolator screen perfectly. I'm not sure of the part
number, but I think it's used on all the fuel injected IO-360's thru IO-520's.
Some Swifts with the stock Swift screen have had injector problems. I did
Bill Goodlads 210 conversion about 25 years ago and used that screen and
he has never had any problem. I have quite a bit of data on the IO-360 here,
if I can be of further assistance let me know. -- Jim
IO-360 CONTINENTAL FUEL PUMP/PRESSURE QUESTIONS... (11499)
Subject: Re: 210 cont conversion
From: Gary Williams <garyjw@intekom.co.za>
Thank-you for your response to my question regarding the 210 HP Continental
conversion. I still have some queries regarding the fuel pressure adjustment
on the engine driven fuel pump, and was wondering if you would be able to
offer some advice:
1. What is the recommended pressure adjustment at full power setting.
2. What is the normal fuel consumption in gph indicated on the fuel flow
gauge on the panel at full power setting.
3. Is there a quick check method using the gph gauge on the panel to ensure
that the fuel pressure (and hence quantity) is sufficient.
4. What pressure can one expect to read on the instrument panel using the
original fuel pressure gauge( as per the C125 installation, in psi) connected
at the outlet of the fuel divider unit, where the fuel consumption gauge
in gph would normally be connected on the IO-360 Continental motor.
Gary,
To start with #4. Forget the original fuel pressure ga. It doesn't read high
enough. Try to get a fuel flow/manifold pressure gauge, possibly from a 337
Cessna. These gauges are really fuel pressure gauges, but the psi and gph
are approximately the same. The gauge you want has a scale up to 20 pounds
or so. Max pressure in hi boost is 18 psi. Normal range is 4 1/2 - 11 gph
(green arc) Min. is 3 psi. You know you have to wire in resistors to obtain
a high and low boost from the Dukes pump right? You need high boost for engine
starting and low boost for emergency use if the engine pump fails, also once
in a while you need low boost with a cold engine to keep it running until
it starts hitting on all 6 cylinders and reaches 1000 rpm or so on start
up. You can't tell anything about fuel quantity from fuel pressure! Except,
of course, if you run out, the pressure goes to zero! I have a complete manual
here someplace on the TCM fuel injection system, but I couldn't locate it
today when I looked for it. You probably don't need to worry about making
any fine adjustments, just start it up and see how it runs. I will look again
for that manual if you have further questions. -- Jim
DUKES OF NORTHRIDGE??? (060100)
Subject: Dukes boost pump
From: Snaglefraz@aol.com
Jim, can you tell me what city in Calif. the Dukes, Inc. business is in.
They recondition the IO360 cont. boost pump.Thanks, Mike
Mike,
I looked on a Dukes Pump and all it said was Dukes Inc. Northridge, CA so
I looked it up in www.switchboard.com and it came up: Dukes Inc. 9060 Winetka
Ave. Northridge, CA 91924 (818) 998-9811
IO-360 OPERATION AND FUEL PRESSURES... (070500)
From: Perry Sisson <Diamond2055@aol.com>
Hello Jim, My question for the month is, can fuel totalizer transducers be
rebuilt? I have the Swiftronics RT-100. It seems to have fuel stains on the
top where the wires come out. I happened to find this while removing the
complete fuel injection system from my engine. If they cannot be rebuilt
is there a replacement for it? Also, I removed the fuel injection system
for overhaul because I had the following things happening. 1) When I would
hit the fuel boost switch, the pump would run like it should to a certain
point , building pressure and then would go to a high rev and build no more
pressure. The last few starts, the pressure built less than before, but the
engine still started on the first blade or two. The Dukes pump was overhauled
in 1992. I am planning on sending it in for overhaul at this time. 2) In
the last month of flying I have noticed white exhaust stains on the belly,
they used to be gray. I understand this is a sign of a lean running engine.
I usually lean to 11.6 GPH at two thousand feet and above. Below two thousand
feet I run full rich. So I think I am not starving it for fuel. 3) When I
top off the tanks it always takes less than the fuel totalizer says it will
take. 4) This is the big one, I have seen higher cylinder Temp. than normal
and running full rich at even 6,000 feet does not bring the Temp. down. I
am planning on sending the fuel injection system to a company in MI. called
Approved Aircraft Accessories. Or do you know of a better shop? I cannot
find the yellow tag from when I had the Duke's pump rebuilt. So do you know
where I could send it for overhaul? I guess I am asking more than one question
here, sorry about that. Hope you are doing well. -- Perry Sisson
Perry,
Most of what you ask is beyond my experience. I have built up a couple 210
Swifts and even flown them a few hours but you certainly have more operating
experience with them. To start, I don't know much about fuel totalizers but
I would suggest you contact the manufacturer with your question. If you can't
figure out how to do that, I would suggest you call Ron Williamson from the
number in the Swift membership book. For questions about a Dukes pump call
Dukes themselves. Get in <www.switchboard.com> and click on "find a
business" and enter "Dukes" and "Northridge, CA" this will get you their
phone number and address. I'm not sure what to tell you about the way your
injection system is acting, it doesn't sound to me like a problem with the
pump. Perhaps another 210 operator will answer you. Do you have an EGT guage?
It sounds like you need one. Several guys I know have sent their fuel injection
system to that outfit in MI and as far as I know they are good. -- Jim
CABIN HEAT MUFF FOR CONTINENTAL IO-360... (100100)
From: Phil Howell <POPPAPOU@aol.com>
As a relative new Swift owner (N3313K) , living in an area that has some
snow each winter, I was wondering if any one out there has an approved heat
muff instillation for the 210 Cont. Mine has a heat control, but nothing
else. I can fabricate a muff if someone has an approval document and/or drawings.
Many thanks, Phil
Phil,
I feel that is a minor alteration, because the muff is for cabin heat. Several
of the local 210 Swift owners here in the frozen north have fabricated muffs
for picking up heat for the heater. I don't know of a stock muff (Piper or
Cessna etc.) that will work with the Swift cowl. -- Jim
CG ON 210 CONVERSION... (100400)
Subj: Swift Likes to Dive too Much...
From: Bill Jacobs <wjacobs@sybase.com>
I've nearly finished a Cont. IO360 conversion with a McCauley "late
style" prop. All approved. The heavy engine and prop have resulted in a
nicely noseheavy beast. Looking at extra lead for the tail and a lightweight
starter doesn't quite get me where I need to be. That leaves the battery, right?
Have you ever seen or heard of approvals via STC or 337 to move the battery
further back in the tail than the bulkhead behind the baggage compartment? I ran
the numbers, and moving the battery 30 inches back (2 bulkheads) puts my numbers
in the money - 2 people, full fuel and 100 # of baggage and I'm still well fwd
of the rearward limit. Any other thoughts? Bill
Bill,
As you know the STC for the IO-360 includes moving the battery to aft of the
baggage compartment. Some Swifters have moved it further aft on a field
approval. I don't know of a multiple use STC to move the battery further aft. I
have used AC 43.13-2A Chapter 10 as a reference for relocating a battery. I
moved the battery forward almost 10 feet in a Cessna UC-78 to correct an aft CG
problem. I called my FAA inspector and asked if I could send over a 337 form for
field approval and he said, "Just sign it and send it through". I
don't think the young FAA guys would be that easy to get along with, but a field
approval shouldn't be too hard. -- Jim
TIME FOR THE IO-360... (100301)
Subj: IO 360
From: Ed Lloyd <edlloydaustin@juno.com>
Hi Jim. Hope you had a good day. The time is nearing when I pull the C-145 and
start the task of mounting the Continental IO 360. I intend to keep the original
cowling and baffle for downflow cooling. Chatted with Claude Morgan and got some
pointers from him since he did the same thing. I have belly tanks giving me all
the fuel I want initially. Maybe later I'll add the wing tanks and remove the
belly tanks. Question is, do I have to do a gross weight increase without the
wing tanks?
Ed
You don't have to have the gross wt. increase technically. As a matter of real
world operations, you might be over 1710 lb. with yourself and maybe 10 gallons
of gas. If you want to be completely legal, you will need the GW increase if you
ever want to carry a passenger and full fuel. Think about it, if the EW is 1400
(not uncommon for a 210 Swift) plus 19 lb of oil, plus 222 lb of fuel, plus 340
lb for pilot and passenger = 1981 lb. So at that load you are even over the 1970
lb GW. Of course, if you can keep the EW down to 1300 lb, you will even be able
to carry some baggage! I didn't know you had picked up a 210 engine, I knew you
were looking for one. I haven't heard from you in a while, keep in touch. -- Jim
CONTINENTAL IO-360-D OIL PUMP...(120401)
Subj: Re: IO 360 D
From: Ed Lloyd <edlloydaustin@juno.com>
Jim, there's something that has me puzzled. When I pulled the plate that covers
the oil pump gears, I removed the drive gear that has the shaft on it, part #
634010. The oil pump drive gear that it turns, part #633602, did not have a
woodruff key in there. There is a woodruff slot in the shaft and a woodruff key
way in the driven gear and the only thing that was holding it tight was the tach
drive connector! Looking in the illustrated parts book, they don't show a key in
the parts breakdown. Is that the way it should be? I'm going to remove the tach
drive adapter, part #641531, when I go back together with the engine. I will use
a cover, part #632475, and part #642121-1RH must be removed to allow the cover
plate to fit. Will use Electronics International Digital tach which gets it's
signal from the mags. Would there be anything wrong with leaving the angle tach
drive on the engine? Who knows there may be a need for it some day. Would you
happen to have any push rod housing tubes, part #632141, around the hangar? I
have a few that have gotten corroded and I want to replace them.
Cheers........Ed
Ed
Check your AD notes. AD 81-13-10 calls for removal of that key. That one puzzled
me at first, until you think about it. If the pump gets stalled, from a foreign
object or just thick oil, that key would shear. If the proper torque is on the
nut, it might slip, but not disengage the oil pump completely. With the proper
torque on the nut and the designed taper on the gear, it will never slip
ordinarily. If you cap that tach drive, leaving it on the engine would be Ok. I
don't have any push rod tubes. Dennis Gehring has a source of discounted TCM
IO-360 parts. He gave me a sales flyer, but I misplaced it. Contact him at
<Swift1946@aol.com> -- Jim
TACHOMETER...(020402)
Subj: N3313K Tachometer
From: Dick Wilfong <dwilfong@hinklelawfirm.com>
Monty, I am the new owner of N3313K. When I bought the airplane a couple of
months ago the electronic tachometer was only working off of one Mag. When doing
a runup check the indicator needle just falls to zero when switched to the left
mag. the engine is a Cont. IO-360G1 with Bendix mags. The prior owner said that
the transducer? that sends the signal from that mag had gone bad, therefore the
connection had been switched to the P-lead. Whatever, I want to fix the problem.
I have access to the drive mechanism that attaches to the back of the engine for
a mechanical tach (not much room) so I could install it and a mechanical tach,
or I could install another type of electronic tach that receives its signals
differently that the tach that I now have. If there is an electronic tach that
would work that would seem to be the easier route to take. I would certainly
appreciate your helpful advise on this. Thanks, Dick Wilfong
Dick
That is a characteristic of a cheap non-TSO'ed tachometer, they just hook into
the "P" lead circuit. (not legal on a certified airplane) (think about
it, if the tach grounds out, you lose the mag!) If it was formerly wired up in a
manner that worked, the setup might be ok, in which case you should contact the
tach manufacturer and find out what you need. To install a mechanical tach on an
IO-360 you need some scarce and high priced parts parts off an airplane like a
Cessna XP. (unless you have an IO-360A) If you can't determine what kind of
electrical tach you have, I would suggest you buy a whole new tach setup for the
TCM IO-360. I believe the Bendix mags for many airplanes have senders for an
electric tach. -- Jim
ED ANSWERS HIS OWN QUESTION...050102)
To: Swift31B@aol.com
Subject: Oil Cooler
Mornin Jim. Question on oil coolers. The Cont 210 engine I bought came off a
Maule. It is a IO 360 D-33A. Picture atch. The oil cooler on the engine is not
exactly like the coolers normally seen on the IO 360 D engines. Specifically,
the # two cylinder does not have a 'cast' intake valve cover with the helicoil
for the carriage bolt and shoe installation. You will notice in the picture that
the oil cooler installed on my engine has a diagonal bar across the top. There
is a similar bar across the bottom in the opposite direction. Can't find a part
# on the cooler. Various ones have told me it's the wrong oil cooler for the
engine. My judgment is that if it worked on the Maule installation, it will work
on the Swift. What are your thoughts? I will contact Continental Tech Services
and see what they say. Cheers..............Ed
Time passes...
Jim, Well I answered my own question on the cooler. What I have is the 'short'
oil cooler that was put on the IO 360A. It is part # 627392. The later model IO
360s had the 'long' cooler, part # 646880. Continental said it is ok to use the
short cooler if I don't have an oil temp problem. I called Vaughn at Swift Works
and he says he has seen both on the IO 360s. Sooooo, I'm going to see if'n I got
a oil temp problem, and if not, I'll run the short cooler.
Cheers..............Ed
CONTINENTAL IO-360 CRANKSHAFT STUFF...(050302)
Subj: RE: Swift
From: Angon Barnes-Webb <a.barnes-webb@bowman.co.za>
Thanks Jim, I guess my first question was something akin to asking "how
long is a piece of string" and hence pretty much unfieldable! One immediate
question tho' : my aircraft is in the SA equivalent of your experimental
category, and hence doesn't have to comply with all mandatory engine
modifications. The one I am concerned about (all others are being done) is
wether I should replace my crankshaft with the VAR crank, at a landed cost in SA
of USD 4000 ;advice from my AMO is that the existing crank is comfortably within
spec.,and the problems Continental experienced on the IO360 crank were so few
that unless I wanted to return the aircraft to full commercial category, it
wasn't justified by the cost. I've agreed with him, but an independent view
(which I won't hold you to) would be insightful. Many thanks Anton
Anton
I have never believed in that VAR crank AD note. The first VAR cranks had a lot
more problems than the Airmelt cranks. The service history of the IO-360 showed
a few failures of the Airmelt cranks, but my personal theory is that most of
those were due to unlogged prop strikes. Regardless, we are stuck with that AD
note here in the US. With your "experimental" category you don't have
to replace the crank, and I wouldn't. -- Jim
ED NEEDS MONTY'S WISDOM ON THE CONTINENTAL IO-360 INSTALLATION...(090402)
Subj: Cont. IO360 installation
From: Ed Robertson <swiftr1@aol.com>
Hi Jim,
I'm putting a factory reman engine in '42B & am having some challenges. When
the induction tubes are reversed for the original cowling, the oil filler tube
is in the way. On the old engine I was able to work the filler tube out of the
accessory case & cut it down. I hate to mutilate this engine if I can avoid
it! If I could rotate the tube about 45 degrees I think it would fit. How have
you tackled this problem? Is there any way the original cowling will fit without
reversing the induction? I need your wisdom! Best Regards, Ed Robertson
Ed
The 210 installations I have done used a modified original cowl without
reversing the induction system. To do this it is necessary to tilt the cowl up a
little to provide clearance with the induction system. Many guys don't want to
do that because it involves adding some doublers to the bottom cowl and trimming
off the upper cowl, and doesn't look quite as good. There are also different
engine mounts which permit the use of the stock cowl without modifications. I
haven't done an IO-360 conversion for many years, so I forwarded your note to
Dennis Ghering, who is in the middle of one right now. I still haven't heard
from him. I will send you a reply soon. Jim
DENNIS GHERING REPLIES RE: THE IO-360 DEAL...(090402)
From: Dennis Ghering <swift1946@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Cont. IO360 installation
Jim:
I had to cut and weld my oil filler tube to fit. He should be able to heat the
area on the case around the filler tube and remove it without damaging anything
and swap it with the old one or modify the new one, same goes with the oil
dipstick. Use a heat gun, The tuble will come out easy. We made Harry's original
cowling fit without reversing the induction system. It tells how to do it on the
stc.plans. -- Dennis
SUCCESS FOR ED ON THE IO-360 DEAL...(090402)
From: SWIFTR1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cont. IO360 installation
Jim,
Thanks for the help. I was able to turn the filler tube 90 degrees by putting
torque on it with a strap wrench & applying some percussive persuasion with
a dead-blow hammer. Had sprayed some PB-Blaster (great stuff!!) on the joint
before. I think that the bend in the tube will now make it clear the induction
tube. Hope you're doing well, Ed.
CONTINENTAL IO-0360 INFO... (OCT 02)
From: Larry.Owen@Tenethealth.com (Owen, Larry)
Hi Monty
I have an option to purchase an IO-360-H , 1100 hours, running when
stored/sealed in 1997, for under $7500. I would be upgrading from an O-300. Is
there anything about the 360-H that I should be concerned about? I assume the
VAR crank mess still applies but I might easily take ten years to put another
400 hours on an engine. Just your thoughts, Thanks ! Larry Owen N78287 El Paso,
Texas 915-577-6832
Larry
I don't know much about IO-360-H. I do know there are two types of crankshafts
(not related to the VAR factor) that require different props to be compatible.
For example, the IO-360A-C and D require the Maule type prop which was on the
original STC. I don't know if the later crankshaft and prop are approved. Call
Merlyn and ask. Their contact information is on the Swift site. What year was
that engine manufactured? They started installing VAR cranks in the 80s I
believe. Jim
CONTINENTAL IO-360 OIL PRESSURE
QUESTION...(NOV 02)
From: William Roberson <attywfr@yahoo.com>
Subject: Oil Pressure Questions
I'd like to hear from Continental IO-360 owners what kinds of oil pressures they
see. Although I see 50-60 pounds at startup and for about 10 minutes thereafter
on a 50 degree day, mine drops to 30 pounds in cruise (23 inches and 2400 rpm)
after the oil temp gets up into the green arc. The Continental book says
anything below thirty is unnacceptable. Wondering what other Continental IO-360
owners are seeing. Anyone with input please respond to attywfr@yahoo.com or to
the newsletter. Thanks, Will
Swifter Mike Kennedy replies to Will's
question...
Will, If you have 30psi you are good and you can run forever without a problem,
but a little more makes me feel better. There are two factors I have found,
other than a tired engine/oil pump, that can effect your hot oil psi. One is the
gage itself. I have found gages that are reading up to 10 psi off on the low
side -- i.e., reading 30 psi but checking with another gage reads 40 psi. The
second is the relief valve spring pressure is low. Depending on the engine
model/age you have either an adjustable relief valve or a set (spring in
housing) valve. The relief valve is near the oil cooler. The
adjustable is just that and the pressure can be bumped up by turning in the
adjustment screw. With the spring only valve you can put a washer or two under
the spring to get the pressure up. I show about 35-40 psi hot. Be careful to not
over due it as if you show much over 60psi during a cold start you can blow the
oil cooler gasket with to high a pressure. Of course, only make these
adjustments after making sure your gage is showing the right psi. You can swap
gages or put a gage on a temporary T-fitting to check the readings. -- Michael
Kennedy
CG QUESTION FOR 210HP SWIFT... (JAN 03)
Subj: Re: Swift Landing Gear
From: joem@totalseal.com (Joe Moriarty)
Dear Monty; Our Swift is now a 210 hp version (Merlin STC) We have 150 seats in
the A/C. Can you suggest any optimum CG for empty weight conditions? By the way
empty weight is 1416. We carry the stock fuel at this point. As is now CG is
28.19. Battery is directly behind the baggage compartment. Hate to move the
battery box, but that is an option I suppose. We have been told that the A/C is
faster with aft C/G, but how far aft should we go? Much obliged. Joe Moriarty
and Mike Handshew.
Joe & Mike
The aft limit for the 210 STC is 33.0. By restricting the aft limit Hugh Evans
was able to avoid spin resting. A Swift, like most airplanes is faster with an
aft CG. The stock aft limit is 34.7 and the Swift is fastest at that number. You
must weigh the pros and cons (excuse the pun) of any CG beyond 33.0. 33.0 is the
legal limit but 34.7 is probably safe enough. 28.19 is out of the foreward
limit, work out some sample loadings and see where the loaded CG falls. If a
typical load is foreward of the 33.0 limit you probably won't get optimum speed.
The airplane is much easier to land with an aft CG also. Try throwing some
ballast in the baggage compartment and see how you like the flight
characteristics. -- Jim
ED IS STRUGGLING WITH HIS IO-360... (JAN03)
Subj: IO360 EGT problem
From: Ed Robertson <swiftr1@aol.com>
Hi Jim,
Here is what I'm struggling with. The EGT on #2 cylinder increases as I reduce
MP from about 20"hg down to under 15". This is with full rich mixture.
It increases to about mid range on the Alcor gage. It is normal (comparable with
the others) at higher power levels. I reversed the induction system for the
original cowl installation, so #'s 1 & 2 are closest to the throttle body.
Here's what I've done to date:
(1) I cleaned the injector with no change, then I swapped that injector with cyl
#6 after cleaning both. No Joy! (2) Pulled that portion of the induction tube.
Found a burr on the flange & filed it down. I added some Loctite gasket
maker to the gasket when I mounted it back on. Figured I had the problem licked.
Not so! Symptom remained. (3) Plugged the intake at the filter port &
applied pressure thru the spark plug hole with intake valve open. Looked for
leaks with soapy water. Found bubbles at rubber connection between #'s 2 &
4. Tightened & eliminated bubbles - no other leaks found, but the pressure
was very low. Figured I surely had it now. Nope! The symptom was unchanged on
the test flight.
I tried a better plug on the intake but was unable to get more pressure for a
better leak test. The cylinder is a couple of psi lower than the others on the
compression test. No static leak is evident. Any ideas??? Best Regards, Ed
Robertson
Ed
It seems you have tried all the things I might suggest. Maybe someone will read
this and come up with an explanation and solution. It seems like the #2 cylinder
gets a lean mixture when throttleing back. If it only happens below 20"
maybe it doesn't make any difference! -- Jim
ED LLOYS HAS SOME HELP FOR ED ROBERTSON’S FUEL INJECTION PROBLEMS... (JAN
03)
From: "Ed Lloyd" <swift3856k@austin.rr.com>
Subject: Fuel Injection Problems
Morning Ed. Read your dilema with manifold pressure on Denis web page. I have a
contact for you to try at Aircraft Fuel Injection Service, Inc. in Dallas. I had
my entire fuel injection system overhauled by them a couple months ago. David
Hilliard was the technician that did the work and I had occasion to talk with
him about the fuel injection system on the IO360D, very knowlegable guy. His
phone # 214 358-2377. You might try describing your problem with David. He told
me he has overhauled / worked on fuel injection systems for 20+ years. If that
doesn't work let me know, I have another contact that works for ECI in San
Antonio and he runs their test cell at New Braunfels, TX. Cheers.........Ed
Lloyd
Ed,
Thanks for the contact. I called David Hilliard & he gave me some ideas. He
thinks I may have an obstruction in the line between the fuel manifold and the
injector. I'll check it out the next time I have the hangar warmed up. I'm also
going to do the "coke bottle test" to check for any big differences in
the amount of fuel the different injectors are delivering. Unfortunately, I have
preserved the engine for a couple of months of down time while winter does it's
thing, so it will be a while before I fly to test any "fixes."
Continental requires this to keep the cylinder warranty in effect. If anyone
wants some of the MIL Spec preservative oil, I had to buy 5 gallons, so we could
probably work out a deal for a quart or two (or 3). Best Regards, Ed Robertson