MONTY THE ANSWER MAN ARCHIVE
PAINTING A SWIFT...
ORIGINAL INTERIOR COLORS... (020100)
Subject: Globe Swift Interior Paint
To: Bossolar@stihl.de
Jim,
I am in the process of redoing the interior paint of my Globe Swift Sn#1265
and want to be as original as possible. I know the hat shell is a lighter
blue as indicated in our Swift Hints and Information book but I'm not sure
where it breaks to the dark Swift blue. I assume the two cross supports are
the lighter blue. What color should the seat back, the trim crank bracket
and the large rollover support which the hatch latch is secured to be? Also,
I have ordered the two aluminum trim pieces for the shelf from Joe at Swift
Parts but I didn't find any holes from a previous installation but was please
to find the original data plate under some old upholstery and glue. Did all
Globes have this trim installed. Any help would be appreciated. -- Ray Bossola
Ray:
I presume you mean turnover structure, yes, it's the lighter blue. The seat
back should be the dark blue. (The trim crank bracket and the large rollover
support) are light blue. N3272K was a "Deluxe" Swift, and I think those trim
pieces should be installed. I can get over to the airport in a day or two
and look at Mark Holliday's N80966 (s/n 1159) I will write you back later.
These answers are from memory. If you want a real expert answer write Mark
Holliday - MarkH85@aol.com. -- Jim
PREPPING ALUMINUM FOR PAINT... (070200)
From: Anton Venter <aviator185@hotmail.com>
Could you please advise on cleaning up the skin surfaces and preparation
toward priming. The fuselage has a layer of old paint on it, but the wings
are bare metal. I stripped a small piece of paint on the rear end and saw
what looked like a dark grey/black-greenish tarnish in the skin. This wears
through into bright silver aluminum. Is this normal? What do I do about deep
scratches on the skin surface?
Anton,
I would presume that the aluminum is coated with zinc chromate primer. Paint
stripper may remove it. If the stripper removes the paint but not the primer,
the primer is a lacquer primer and can be removed with ketone or acetone.
What you describe is normal. Deep scratches are a judgment call, most of
them can be filled with primer/surfacer and body filler. -- Jim
BALANCING ACT... (070300)
Subj: control surface balancing
From: Michelle Dolin <swiftgal@hotmail.com>
Hi Jim,
We have recently stripped the paint off the control surfaces (elevators &
ailerons), in preparation for new paint. What we want to know is, how much
will the paint affect the balancing? What process if any, will we have to
follow to keep in balance. Thanks -- Michelle
Michelle,
The rudder is not balanced and has not appeared sensitive to application
of paint. (Note: the book figure for rudder cable tension is 70 lb.) The
elevators are partially balanced, perhaps 75%, (I never really determined
exactly) and they do not appear to have any flutter problems. The ailerons
are balanced 100% and I would caution you not to add an appreciable amount
of weight with the application of paint, although the Swift in general seems
resistant to flutter. -- Jim
KRYLON OVERHAUL...
(080300)
Subj: Trim Paint
From: Richard Aaron <raaron@pica.army.mil>
Monty, I understand that at one time Swift Parts had the original blue and
red trim paint in spray cans, but that these are no longer available. Would
you know of any spray can (or other) paint that would be a close match, such
as a particular auto color, Rust-O-leum or Krylon? I only have to touch-up
some small spots. Joe had told me that the original colors were Washington
Blue and Chinese Red.
Dick,
Sorry, I don't know the exact answer to that. I would find a store that has
those colors and try them. Washington Blue was a color used by Ford for many
years. -- Jim
FACTORY PAINTED SWIFTS... (050301)
From: Rocky Rutter <gc1bflyr@yahoo.com>
Subject: Factory Painted Swifts - N3820K was RED
A minor correction. Although the story persists that only one Swift left the
factory painted, there were at least two. The original factory records for
N3820K are archived in Athens. When I pulled them & looked at the original
equipment list it shows "Paint - Red 15 lbs." I believe it was Mark
Holiday who commented at the time that 15 pounds of paint will cover a Swift.
There are a few concealed places where the original red can be seen. N3820K was
originally Globe serial number 1513 and there is a Globe data plate in the belly
with that number. After Temco acquired the Globe assets, the Serial number was
changed to Temco 3509 and the plane delivered to California in early 1948. I
have often wondered if the paint was applied to conceal skin blemished by
sitting outside as an orphan. How ironic that so many Swifts were painted, yet
one of the rare painted ones has been stripped & polished. -- Rocky Rutter
Rocky,
The operative word in the phrase "the only painted Globe Swift" is
GLOBE. N3820K is a Temco. (even if Globe started building it!) N3820K was in the
batch that were underway when Globe went under. Many of that series have a Globe
data plate and serial number and also a Temco data plate and serial number.
N3820K would have been Globe s/n 1513, but was sold as Temco s/n 3509. -- Monty
PAINTING YOUR SWIFT...(120301)
Subj: How Much ???
From: Pete King <peetking@earthlink.net>
How much weight is gained by painting a Swift -- The Swift -- not me ! Regards,
Pete King
Pete
It depends on how much you put on! The old Dulux paint jobs only added 15 - 20
lb. I have an old Temco Weight & Balance sheet here somewhere, I think it
says 15 lb. Today's fancy Imron and other epoxy paints can add up. If the paint
weighs 8 lb. a gallon and you use 10 gallons, that is 80 lb. before you allow
for overspray and evaporation of solvents. I checked the Poly-Fiber manual and
they say the dope on a Cub weighs 45-75 lb. I have never weighed a Swift
"before" and "after" a paint job, but it might be
interesting! -- Jim
PAINT STRIPPER EXPERIENCES...(050202)
From: Paul Smith <smithpae@yahoo.com>
Subject: paint remover
Dear fellow Swifters,
This is a letter detailing my experience with stripping the 5 coats of pain of
my newly acquired Swift 1171. It concludes with a recommendation and information
on obtaining the product. I started with a heavy duty metal pain stripper
recommended by my local FBO. I applied it, let is soak, and hosed it off with a
4,500 PSI hot water pressure washer. For the areas of the plane with only one
coat on it, it came off very easily. However, the underside of the plane had a
total of 5 coats, Baby blue on top, white under that, dark green under that,
grey primer under that, and yellow chromate on the bottom. On one wing there was
the added coat from the old large numbers. Removing these layers from one flap
took 4 applications and much scotch brite scrubbing, with corners and rivets
still imbued with a variety of remaining pain colors. After a total of 20 hours
on one half of one wing, I decided that something else had to be done. I decided
to go searching for some Removall. This is amazing stuff. It must be applied
properly, but does the job. It took a total of two coats and about 4 hours to do
the entire other wing, the remaining half of the first wing, and all the belly
plates.
Details I have learned the hard way.
1. It must be applied with an airless sprayer and low pressure setting.
2. They recommend a 0.019 to 0.025 " nozzle I suggest the largest. The
reason for this is that water inactivates this material, and any water in the
system will make the constituent parts clump like curdled milk, causing nozzle
obstruction.
3. Wait, then wait some more. This stuff keeps working a long time.
4. thoroughly clean the sprayer with hot water after use. Make sure that you
have allowed everything in the sprayer to dry before beginning a new coat.
5. Use gloves and wear goggles. While it is not particularly toxic, it does
release peroxide which is very irritating to the eyes, and it is very acidic,
which will dry and crack your skin.
6. Stubborn spots clean up well with scotch brite and the remover.
NOTE: this is extremely slippery, oily stuff. Walking around it, even trying to
get the nozzle off to clean it out when it gets plugged brings up the analogy of
a greased pig.
Removall comes from Napier ltd in Canada in Delta, BC. 604.526-0802 <www.napierintl.com>.
The importer is in Florida and the rep is Arthur Bragg 205-266-7365 It costs $
112.50 for 5 gallons of removall. It is NOT a hazardouse material and requires
no special care in use, as it becomes harmless after
exposure to water. Good
luck! Paul Smith
COLOR ME BLUE... (JUNE 03)
Subj: Swift Paint
From: Dave Jewell <jewell.jewell@verizon.net>
Monty,
Can you give me a reference number or color number for the blue exterior paint
for the top of the cowl & the striping? I'm doing a factory original paint
for my 1948 Swift. By the way, I really like my Sensenich prop! It performs
well, and I don't have to mess with weights on the Aeromatic anymore. Thanks,
Dave Jewell 1948J
Dave
What we've been using is PPG D-10701. The newer paint chips are brighter than
the old 1948 colors. If you want to be more accurate in the color you might want
to add a little black to get the blue a little darker. We used to use a
commercial blue -- same as the 1948 GM trucks. I have the D-10701 on my Swift
and it might be a little brighter than the true 1948 color but I think it looks
great. I just put a new Sensenich on my Swift too -- but I haven't had a chance
to fly it yet. I put on a 74DR-1-62. -- Jim
TRUE BLUE... (JULY 03)
Subj: Paint
From: Harry Fenton <Harry.Fenton@unison.ae.ge.com>
Hi Jim, Today's question: I was looking at the paint on the Swift and it looks
to me like the blue tint on mine looks suspiciously close to Insignia Blue. I'm
basing this upon the premise that the numbers on the bottom of the wing have
never been repainted and matching to other faded samples I have of the Insignia
Blue color. I've seen a couple of DuPont p/n's thrown around, but I want to be
exact, and document how I selected the color. I'm wondering, that given that
many former warplane designers and production people were involved with Swift
production, and the proximity to the end of the war, if it is possible that a
stock, AN color spec like Insignia Blue was used. A related question- I have
seen references to instrument panel blue. Is this a different color than the
trim? Many of the original looking Swifts appear to have the instrument panel
painted the same color as the plane trim colors. I've been e-mailing you
directly- should I be posting my questions at the Yahoo site? I don't see much
activity there and you seem to have pretty quick answers. I just want to make
sure that whatever new info I might gather gets shared with the Swift group. I
see that a couple of our discussions have been in the GTS update. Thanks, Harry
Harry
Try rubbing out & color matching the instrument panel. That is the true
color for both the panel and the external trim. We used to use a commercial blue
which was the same as the 1948 Chevy trucks. Lately we've been using PPG D-10701
which may be a little brighter than what was used in 1948. To get a true match
you might want to put in a little black to tone it down a little. I have the
D-10701 on my Swift which I think looks great, even if it might be brighter than
the 1948 color. The insignia blue might not be too far off either. The Globe
Swifts were a little darker shade than the Temcos. I think email sent to me
directly is best. I try to check the Yahoo site every few days but since Yahoo
screwed up that site there has not been much action there. I even thought about
deleting the whole site but several guys asked me not to do that. -- Jim
PS Remember I said the Globes were a darker shade of blue? I just remembered
something. Your plane was first flown in Dec. 1947 but it was probably made a
year earlier as a Globe Swift, by Temco. The 78xxx series of airplanes were
built under subcontract by Temco. After the Globe bankruptcy, many sat around
for months before being sold. It may have been painted the Globe shade of blue.
ORIGINAL COLORS... (SEPT 03)
Subj: Panel Paint Color
From: Dorothy Golding <dotgoldswift@mail.ev1.net>
Hi Monty; Duane would like to know what kind of paint and what color the
original panel was painted? Thanks Dorothy
Dot
Globe orTemco? The Globe stripe and panel were PPG DAR 10403. The hat shelf was
PPG DAR 3004 Neptune Blue. Years ago the chip for PPG DAR 10701 matched the
Temco blue exactly, now the color seems brighter. To match the old color exactly
may require a little black added. I have the 10701 on my Swift and altho it may
a little brighter than 1950 I think it looks better! I was told the Temco
factory used a commercial blue, same as the 1948 GM trucks. We also have used
Union Oil Blue in the past. The 2000 s/n's used the Globe blue as far as I know,
but the later ones may have been repainted by Temco. Your guess is good as mine
as to what they may have used. -- Jim
NEW PAINT JOB QUESTIONS...(MAR 04)
From: "James Cummiskey" <jccummis@yahoo.com>
Subject: Paint Recommendations & Swift Logo Nose Art and Trim Specifics
After my encounters with heavy rain and ice in Canada, my old paint job on
N3800K isn't quite what it used to be. Hence, I have decided to get a new paint
job that is close as possible to the original, and I have several questions:
* Does anyone have any experience with using PPG Aerospace Desothane CA8000Z
buffable paint? I am thinking about going with the IM902 Titanium as the
topcoat. How closely will this approximate the polished aluminum look of the
original Swift (without all the hassle of polishing in the ocean air of Southern
California)? Since I have a fiberglass cowling on my IO-360, painting the entire
aircraft will also help preserve the look of the original color scheme of the
aircraft.
* Which specific Swift Logo nose art was used originally on my 1946 GC-1B
airplane (Serial #1493)? Does anyone have any high quality samples of this art I
can use to replicate the original look? What were the dimensions of both the
nose art and the accent striping?
* Can anyone confirm the modern color numbers for the colors in the original
logo, accent stripes and the N-numbers?
* What are the dimensions of the original N-numbers on the top of the right wing
and bottom of the left wing? Can anyone confirm the 18" high figure
mentioned in Monty's FAQ (and also tell me the width)? Can anyone confirm that
this positioning of the numbers on the wings will satisfy U.S. Customs'
requirements (as opposed to the typical location on the sides of the fuselage)?
* What were the dimensions of the small N-numbers on the tail?
* I am thinking about changing my N-number from its current "N3800K"
to its original "NC3800K." Do I need to do any paperwork with the Feds
to re-register the plane with this new number?
Any advice anyone can offer for my first Swift paint job will be greatly
appreciated! Thanks!
Regards, Jim Cummiskey N3800K jccummis@yahoo.com
Jim -
You can paint "NC" on the airplane - nothing further required. See FAR
45 for detail on this. Read FAR Part 45 (45.29) re: the size of markings. The
tail numbers can be 2" high per FAR 45.22 (b) (1) but you may not operate
in an ADIZ or DEWIZ or in a foreign country unless that country consents to that
operation. I don't know if Canada permits the small numbers or not. Last month
Denis had N77751 pictured on the web site, that airplane (s/n 3523) should have
the same trim as yours. Denis may have the picture or it is on the web
somewhere. Other than the picture, I don't know of where to get more detail but
that should work pretty well. Years ago the chip for PPG DAR 10701 matched the
Temco blue exactly, now the color seems brighter. To match the old color exactly
may require a little black added. I have the 10701 on my Swift and altho it may
a little brighter than 1950 I think it looks better! I was told the Temco
factory used a commercial blue, same as the 1948 GM trucks. We also have used
Union Oil Blue in the past.
SWIFT COLORS...(APRIL 04)
Subj: Swift colors
From: Travis Foss <uster4@earthlink.net>
Hi Jim,
I am currently restoring Swift NC80529 and am starting to think about painting.
Some time back I remember seeing an article, possibly written by you, in regards
to original Globe Swift Blue both interior and exterior. The article included a
paint/part number and a source. Could you please help me find this info? Thank
you, Travis Foss
Travis
The Globe stripe and panel were PPG DAR 10403 The hat shelf was PPG DAR 3004
Neptune Blue. I am glad to hear you are restoring N80529. -- Jim