Re: Quantity or Quality? Just walk away?


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Posted by jehu on February 26, 1999 at 08:35:13:

In Reply to: Quantity or Quality? Just walk away? posted by Diogénés, WA on February 25, 1999 at 18:24:40:

: : A few days ago I read on this board that Curio, Karen
: : Jones etc. had gone away. Well, apparently not...but,
: : let's pretend. When I come here and see this poor sick
: : person(s), I shut it down right away. As a sibling of
: : an accuser, I've seen enough sickness to last a lifetime.
: : IGNORE, ie: DON'T ANSWER, DON'T GET SUCKED IN, DON'T
: : RESPOND, DON'T THROW PEARLS IN FRONT OF...ETC

:
: ++++++++++++++++++++++

: Yes. That's a valid "psychological" principle in some situations, ignore the unwanted behavior, and it will extinguish.. But, I'm afraid the kooky therapists were ignored for too long. They are the ones who declared war on the innocent in the first place, aren't they?. The "peaceful" approach has allowed a lot of questionable legislation, regulations, and legal cases to get through.

: If this board is "territory" then my personal view is that the territory must be defended.. I intend to try to label any false posts made in my screen name. Whoever is forging posts may get tired of it, since I *believe* they are outnumbered. Also, the absurdity, when carried too far tends to discredit the "faker".

: Can we "mice" put a bell on the "cat"? I'm open to further discussion---- I'm just not convinced. In the extreme, the board would be abandoned to the rioters.

: "Trolls" as I understand it, try to create a crossfire in the discussion, and step aside, watching and laughing.

: Honest responsible disagreement can rapidly further understanding. I'm not so confident of my beliefs and experiences that I can't listen to the "other" side. If your beliefs survive the best the other side can throw up, you are getting stronger. If someone here (me?) is persistently posting boilerplate without much new in it, I believe it can be covered with boilerplate as easily as ignored. I have definitely concluded that KJ is not what "she" represents herself as. In that sense, your "Pearls to the ***** makes sense. But, I seem to have plenty, myself, and do not begrudge distribution.

: I value this board as a source of new information. Sometimes that comes from the other side. "Know your enemy".

: Here's a little story.
: ==================================
: Once upon a time a little bird fell out of its nest in the forest. As it was turning dark blue shivering with the cold, a lumberjack happened by and picked it up. Seeing that it was freezing, the lumberjack carried it to a fresh warm cowpie, and stuck it in, up to its neck. The bird started feeling much better, and began to sing merrily. Then a fox came by, and gobbled it up.

: Moral?
: Whoever put you in the s*** isn't necessarily your enemy. Whoever takes you out of it isn't necessarily your friend. When you are up to your neck in it, keep your mouth shut.

: Others?
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I would agree that those who offer the cult-think of today's therapy on this forum need to be engaged in debate so that their lack of reality can be exposed.
However in the case of some such as Curio/Karen who are the true believers, sometimes it seems better to just let her post her sources and ideas so others can see where she is coming from.


One day, Karen/Curio will probably see things much differently. It would be desirable to treat her with kindness and respect even though she doesn't reciprocate just now.


I agree with most of the post you just made. I think it was very intelligent. Also see Ann's thinking on how difficult it is to engage a person in debate who is totally contrary in their thinking to one's own. Yet, that is the reason those in the therapy cult can't seem to listen to those of us who wish only to bring them to some sort of reality to see what is really happening in the therapy arena.


Only by standing toe to toe with those willing to debate can we give a model of what those in the cult should do. Stand up to defend their beliefs and ideas. Does this take courage, time, and energy? Yes, it does.


I would like to thank everyone who is becoming involved in the debate. It takes a lot off my shoulders and I was beginning to think I was the only one out here. Thank God I am not.




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